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Ok, ref was ****, but would've lost anyway. My mate made a good point though, loads of us we still left after the final whistle singing 'we'll never die', would that be the same if we beat the 6-1 at their place also other derby scenarios i.e what would the emirates be like if spurs beat them 6-1?
Was dissapointed not just because of the performance but they didn't even clap us at the end, **** poor
 
Ok, ref was ****, but would've lost anyway. My mate made a good point though, loads of us we still left after the final whistle singing 'we'll never die', would that be the same if we beat the 6-1 at their place also other derby scenarios i.e what would the emirates be like if spurs beat them 6-1?Was dissapointed not just because of the performance but they didn't even clap us at the end, **** poor

Funny how you picked the Emirates and not Anfield or Stamford Bridge :S
 
Exactly. as for new champions, its october for crying out loud. It might not go to either side. Just ask Chelsea about last season


sigh people love jumping on the bandwagon, i hope Chelsea beat City 6-1 and then at least for some time people will be predicting us to be champions lol
 
Kudos for the true United fans that are being gracious in defeat and not over reacting. Just like the 8-2, this is not the time for knee jerk reactions, I have no doubt United will show in the next few games that they will be in it until the end. If City lose the next game, there's suddenly only a 2 point gap again. The people writing United/ Chelsea off already are ridiculous.

Saying that, it looks as though City are now the team to beat. Man advantage or not they were very impressive today. Patient passing waiting for the gap to appear. One important point for me is that playing with an extra man can sometimes work against you, but City exploited it perfectly- played it patiently and stretched the field with Milner/ Richards/ Clichy and dragging Evra out of position.

Evra and Evans were poor, Young and Nani had to feed off scraps and were disappointing. Silva had his usual good game, also Richards and Balotelli were very impressive. Congrats to City, now I just hope they can replicate it in Europe.

Have finally calmed down. Evans can do one. Been watching him for the last 18 months to see if he regains some form and he always plays like he has a mistake in him.

Evra's postioning has been dire for a year, i dont know what is up with him, but i'm never comfortable when those two play together

We did not defend the gaps in the strat well at all, too obsessed with closing down the man than defending the space

However we have played all 5 teams that finished immediately below us, and only 2 of our fixture have been against clubs in the bottom 10. so to have 20 points is excellent. However i will be watching the Janurary window with intrigue

He has been and gone. Banned earlier and his posts deleted for some reason I think.

he shouldnt be unless he did something else.

Best bit of all of this is trolling Mike. over Facebook. He is raging. :)

you can die.
 
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So, on a scale of 1-6, how hilarious did you find this game?

Sorry. Still lols though.​
 
Calum you lost 8-2 and sit 7th in the league having sold your best player...

People in glass houses...

Leave him be, he's just pre-emptively numbing the pain of Van Persie's six month injury. ;)
 
my first actual comment i think, cant even remember because im in so much shock. We were just a class apart from utd today, in every area over the pitch we were better, every single person we played, was brilliant. Unlucky to Utd, i just thought your attacking was too predictable, the crosses were very basic and you lacked a silva esque player who can open a defence up. I think the major difference is between us this year, that we are playing well every single game (bar the champions league). I felt Utd were quite lucky to escape with points (Liverpool and Norwich) in certain games, we have deserved most games. I just feel you were outclassed by a team who at the moment is playing a lot better.

Not gonna gloat this, because im not a mug :)
 
Calum you lost 8-2 and sit 7th in the league having sold your best player...

People in glass houses...

Not making excuses but our 8-2 team wasn't as good as your 1-6 team ;)
 
my first actual comment i think, cant even remember because im in so much shock. We were just a class apart from utd today, in every area over the pitch we were better, every single person we played, was brilliant. Unlucky to Utd, i just thought your attacking was too predictable, the crosses were very basic and you lacked a silva esque player who can open a defence up. I think the major difference is between us this year, that we are playing well every single game (bar the champions league). I felt Utd were quite lucky to escape with points (Liverpool and Norwich) in certain games, we have deserved most games. I just feel you were outclassed by a team who at the moment is playing a lot better.

Not gonna gloat this, because im not a mug :)

1) we have deserved the points we have taken. its not what you create but what you finish

2) in the second half yes, but first half was even and mario's goal came against the run of play at the time. Evans sending off changed the game
 
1) we have deserved the points we have taken. its not what you create but what you finish

2) in the second half yes, but first half was even and mario's goal came against the run of play at the time. Evans sending off changed the game

about point 2). I missed the first 25-30 mins but from that point on I felt that City dominated (although the extent to which they dominated was magnified by the sending off). Thought it was a very good game for football as both teams attacked.

I will be interested to see how city hold up throughout the season because if they win the league, it could be very hard for other teams to catch them back up, especially with Ferguson bound to retire at some stage.
 
Man United 1-6 Man City: City turn a dominant performance into a historic thrashing

October 23, 2011

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The starting line-ups

City crafted a clever first half advantage over United, then were rampant after half time.
Sir Alex Ferguson went with the 4-4-2ish shape he’s favoured this season (but moved away from last weekend at Liverpool). There was no Nemanja Vidic, nor Phil Jones at the back. Danny Welbeck was alongside Wayne Rooney.


Roberto Mancini had to replace Nigel de Jong with Yaya Toure (though this might have contributed to the fluidity of his side), and used Mario Balotelli rather than Edin Dzeko as the main striker.
City were the better side throughout the match, using the ball more efficiently in the final third and creating more opportunities. The scoreline of 6-1 overstates Mancini’s tactical triumph over Ferguson – three goals came in stoppage time, five came after Jonny Evans was sent off and the six came from ‘only’ seven shots on target.
But that should not detract from the fact that Mancini got his decisions right, and City were by far the better side against a team who had previouly gone 19 home games without defeat.

Formations


Both managers opted for the more attacking of their two potential formations – both broadly in a 4-4-1-1 shape, rather than the defensive-minded 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 that Ferguson used at Liverpool and Mancini switched to against Villarreal. The result was a game that was much more open than previous Manchester derbies – remember the dreadful 0-0 at the City of Manchester Stadium when both used three central midfielders?



There were obvious battles across the pitch – centre-backs against forwards, full-backs against wingers, central midfielders (in theory) against each other – it was pretty much a battle you’d expect from a 4-4-2 against a 4-4-2. Rooney and Sergio Aguero were dropping off, but both central midfield partnerships sat deep, denying them space between the lines.
Midfields
However, the midfield duos sitting deep meant that there were rarely challenges between them. They often had time on the ball – although Rooney and Welbeck dropped deeper and tried to stop service into Toure and Gareth Barry early on, letting the City centre-backs have the ball.


There was no creativity from this zone, though – Toure was more subdued than when he plays as the most advanced midfielder, whilst Darren Fletcher and Anderson is a combination that never looks right in a two-man central midfield duo, and United missed a deep-lying playmaker. In the first half of last season Ferguson clearly favoured a runner-passer model in a 4-4-2 – the only time he played Fletcher and Anderson together, United lost 4-0 in the Carling Cup at West Ham. He missed the presence of a Paul Scholes or a Michael Carrick, the two ‘passers’ from last season, who are both clever users of the ball, and Tom Cleverley could also have made an impact were he fit.


City had the same problem, but were cleverer higher up the pitch with their wide players. United’s stayed wide against the City full-backs and lost individual battles – Micah Richards was one of the best players on the pitch, and Gael Clichy coped with Nani well.


City, on the other hand, looked to overload the United full-backs, most obviously for the opening goal when James Milner came over from the right to link up with David Silva, and pulled the ball back for Balotelli’s cool finish. Milner was crucial in creating an extra man in key positions on both wings (see below) and at half-time that was the only difference between the sides, neither of whom had played well in the first half.

Evans off


It was impossible to tell if United had adjusted for the second half – Evans fouled Balotelli just a minute in, and was dismissed. United now had a problem – they trailed and had a man less. They couldn’t come out and press the ball to win it back quickly for fear of being overrun, but sitting back and letting City play keep-ball wasn’t an option either.


Strangely – but in the end, crucially – City didn’t play keep-ball. They kept trying to thread passes through the United defence, and Silva found room to become the game’s key player. Ferguson reacted to the red card by moving Smalling into the centre, Fletcher to right-back and Rooney to the centre of midfield. With Young, Rooney, Nani and Welbeck all on, still offered an offensive threat – but were open defensively. Milner again provided the extra player to square for Balotelli’s second.


Ferguson brought on Jones for Anderson and Hernandez for Nani, but they were hopelessly open in midfield, with no central midfielder (other than Jones) available on the bench to keep it tight in front of the defence. The defence was dragged all over the place, with Patrice Evra’s positioning again highly questionable, and City recreating their second goal, with Aguero finishing – also similar to his midweek goal at Villarreal.


Ferguson had essentially gambled at 2-0. He could have brought on Fabio, Park Ji-Sung or Antonio Valencia for more structure and hoped to get back into the game on the break, but felt the need to be more proactive with Hernandez. The gamble backfired – City showed no sign of letting up, and the number of chances late on was astonishing.


Silva was involved in everything, Dzeko came on to provide a renewed goal threat – and United either tired or gave up in stoppage time. 1-3 as we went into the 90th minute became 1-6 by full-time – the difference between a sound beating and a historic thrashing.

Conclusion


In tactical terms, City were not five goals better. However, they were still better. Nothing of note came from the central midfielders or the forwards early on, and it was all about bringing the wide players inside and across the opposite flank to overload the opposition. City did it well, whilst United appeared much more like the linear, functional side of last season than the fluid, creative side that started this season.


The most significant element of the second half was not any clever decision making, but the sheer ruthlessness with which City opened up United. There was no intention of keeping the ball, frustrating United and bringing out the olés from the visiting supporters – they tore United’s defence apart in a manner the Premier League has rarely, if ever, seen.


Embarrassment aside, United’s problems are not nearly as serious as a 1-6 home defeat would suggest. There needs to be a serious think about how the central midfield zone works, however. There was no creativity from that zone, nor much defensive protection for the back four. No-one expected six goals to be conceded here, but the statistics did indicate that United were vulnerable to a sudden heavy defeat.
 
Just a ridiculous result. After the last two fixtures against Norwich and Liverpool, I expected the worst, especially after the starters were named (no Park, no Jones, no Hernandez). But expecting a goal or two, not beaten by 5.

I give credit to the neighbors. They came in with purpose, had the better opportunities, and took their chances. Nothing more you can ask of a team. And as a United supporter, I don't blame them for rubbing it in with 3 extra goals. I would've enjoyed to see the same if the roles were reversed.

Jonny Evans isn't the player you turn to when you need a center-half to start in a huge derby match - he never has been. Evans is the player you turn to when you're up by 2 goals and one of your CBs is tiring at the last 15-20 of a match. Don't know what we were thinking.

Some shake up of the squad is needed. Not saying to sell these, and buy these others. But rather rotate in other options and sit the players who were the cause of the problem today (Ferdinand, Evra). I still will argue we need a true destroyer in midfield and someone needs to step forward and become that primary creating midfielder. Scholes replacement?

And it's safe to say we won't see more of Evans anytime soon. I heard he's trying to get the hairdryer surgically removed from his face.
 
United really do miss Cleverly tbh.
First few games with him in, we were fluid, creating chances at will and just a better team.
Past couple of games we have been struggling to find chances. Just look at the Liverpool game.
 
Kill that ******* useless **** evans, he shouldnt even be in the ******* EPL never mind the united squad he is a stupid ******* *** and i would gladly punch the idiot square in the face he should be sold and his career destroyed I have said for years that he will cost us big in a huge game, not just ******* up in smaller games
rant OVER
Pants.

Calm them.

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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Loved it <3

You could say you would 8-2 be a United fan right now.
 
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