Tactic Set for all teams - Great results - Patch 9.3

Preston85 · Apr 22, 2009

TheBetterHalf said:
Is this the first/second season?. Regardless, Those results are absolutely stunning. Would you care to upload your new versions of the tactics, with the tweaked closing down settings ?.

As for Attack away, I have actually no idea why the counter attack box is unticked ?, It sure is in my versions but it the ones, renamed and put into the rarfile, the box is not ticked. A slip of the mouse ?

So..the Attack away should have counter attack ticked. But if it works for you then don't.

First season, I think its because of a number of things:

- Not made a huge amount of changes in personel (not got the money). By slimming down the squad and bringing in better but cheaper players i've upgraded in all areas of the field. Replaced some coaching staff and brought in 1 or 2 new 1st team coaches by letting go youth staff (had more training them then 1st team). So have seen great improvements in players like Hoyte and Santon who are forming a nice partnership on the right with lots of pace.

- Tactic really suits the squad. Cardozo really deserves to be a full targetman. Tuncay and O'Neil play AMC well although i'd prefer a more technically gifted player there (Arca tbh but he plays MC not AMC) but they support Cardozo well to give him an outlet. Downing and Santon on wings get lots of crosses in or corners.

My whole first team has hard working and team players (downing is probably the lowest in those catagories) so there's no gaps due to some lazy git. It's probably why i've had to lower closing down as they're to eager to leg it about.

High stamina players in all areas of the field (again Downing is probably the lowest in my first team) so they can play aggressive closing down. I plan ahead so if there's a 3 day gap between games i'll turn down closing down as soon as I can so conserve condition. Plus a good training scheme (and coaches) that allows them to regain condition by not training them to hard is important. Playing time develops a player, not training, training just allows them to develop so there's no point training hard only to get the occational 30 minutes as you won't see much improvement. It's why I think you get such variation in how players turn out between managers, because some buy them and expect them to just become amazing whilst others buy them and play them.

- Team Talks. Read a guide somewhere and it helps, even if the Team Talk Feedback says they arn't paying attention I still think it helps.

Determination and a good character is a under rated imo, I think thats whats got me draws/wins where a squad of under 24s stars wouldn't. If Tuncay or O'Neil arn't performing well in there AMC role telling them to "Prove a Point" at half time or "I Expect a Performance" the game after can see there form change from 5.6 to 7.5+. Try that with young players or unprofessional players and they'll just crumble under the pressure or just not respond.

- Pure luck. Mistake by opposing defender/keeper, wonderstrike by my attacker, dominating display by my GK. So many points gained by these factors alone that I don't expect it to last, especially with half my first team wanted and being bid for making them unhappy.

Just to add, I agree with Kris about the OI, I think if you get it wrong it backfires majorly:
Closing Down - I set this to Never more than Always. If there's a MC who's pretty poor on the ball so no big risk of assists i'll let him have the ball so my players will be closer to whoever he passes it to. Plus my teams closing down levels are quite high so players will get closed down without putting Always. If opponent is playing 4-1-4-1 type I usually set Always against the striker to close him down before his support gets to him to help. Might help more in lower leagues with lower closing down levels and only 1 or 2 good players you need to stop.
Tight Marking - I set this for the attacker who drops deep.
Tackle - The one I use most, can set Hard for weak/wimp attackers/midfielders without having whole team on hard.
Show Foot - Show wingers inside if there strikers are tall+slow so more risk of header than through all, show wingers outside if there strikers are small+quick so more risk of through ball than header.

First thing i'm going to do is re-download and see if i've managed to corrupt/mis-click something because its more than just ticking Counter Attack. The mentalities are identical for Attack Home/Away, which confused me after my earlier questions on the wide gaps. However its ended up like it is, Attack Away is usually my starting tactic, its a bit more decisive in attack than Control (I think due to FWD runs, through balls ect) but more possession orientated than Attack Home due to lower tempo. Counter does work a lot better than Attack Away for attacking the space hence will probably make a few more adjustments and have this version of Attack Away become Balanced (because I never use it as my team doesn't play well when using it) and have a correct version of Attack Away for a more attacking Counter tactic.

TheBetterHalf said:
Firstly, what do you man with the bit in bold ?

Why would you close down on winger etc etc..or are you referring to OI in general ? If so, then stay away from them. I only use them when I am certain how the AI is playing, when I can spot the difference between a a player making moves and player creating movements etc

I think he means he plays against the computer not network games.

teguh36 · Apr 22, 2009

TheBetterHalf said:
Firstly, what do you man with the bit in bold ?

Why would you close down on winger etc etc..or are you referring to OI in general ? If so, then stay away from them. I only use them when I am certain how the AI is playing, when I can spot the difference between a a player making moves and player creating movements etc

yes.. i mean i test the formation also against CPU not in network games..

basicly we should close down player with ball and tight mark player without ball like striker ? because just now i just play against fiorentina (network games) at stamford bridge, begin with attack home, dominating in first 25 minutes, frey make a lot of good saves.. but unluckily they counter and get 1 goal with only 1 attempt, switch to overload.. get equalisher in 40', right this time i was unsure should back to attack home or still overload.. so i decided to use overload.. but they counter again and get another goal.. but then i got another goal 2-2.. frey get MOM, we have 12 shot on goal, and they got only 3 shot on goal.

after the match i think that if i put tight mark on mutu and gilardino maybe they will not score cheap goal, the process is long pass and my defender seems just cannot catch up with him, both goal similar..

and i realize that his player keep following my winger, quaresma and malouda seems to have hard time make cross and short pass.

but anyway good news is we are through the second run with 1 match remaining away against totthenham tomorrow.
thanks to you

TheBetterHalf · Apr 22, 2009

teguh36 said:
yes.. i mean i test the formation also against CPU not in network games..

basicly we should close down player with ball and tight mark player without ball like striker ? because just now i just play against fiorentina (network games) at stamford bridge, begin with attack home, dominating in first 25 minutes, frey make a lot of good saves.. but unluckily they counter and get 1 goal with only 1 attempt, switch to overload.. get equalisher in 40', right this time i was unsure should back to attack home or still overload.. so i decided to use overload.. but they counter again and get another goal.. but then i got another goal 2-2.. frey get MOM, we have 12 shot on goal, and they got only 3 shot on goal.

after the match i think that if i put tight mark on mutu and gilardino maybe they will not score cheap goal, the process is long pass and my defender seems just cannot catch up with him, both goal similar..

and i realize that his player keep following my winger, quaresma and malouda seems to have hard time make cross and short pass.

but anyway good news is we are through the second run with 1 match remaining away against totthenham tomorrow.
thanks to you

I think that the players "with ball" in the build up are more likely to be the Fbs and the MCs. I would strongly advice against tight mark an advanced FC if not closing down the FBs and Mc, I would probably also tight mark the wingers as they are receivers( without ball) and not distributors( with ball)

In the case of not closing down the fbs and mcs, I would use close down/always on the Fc instead as he is advanced in this formation/tactic

teguh36 · Apr 22, 2009

TheBetterHalf said:
I think that the players "with ball" in the build up are more likely to be the Fbs and the MCs. I would strongly advice against tight mark an advanced FC if not closing down the FBs and Mc, I would probably also tight mark the wingers as they are receivers( with ball) and not distributors( with ball)

In the case of not closing down the fbs and mcs, I would use close down/always on the Fc instead as he is advanced in this formation/tactic

ok i get it!! will try in tomorrow network match

_perfido_ · Apr 23, 2009

Hi mate, do u have any suggestion for the OI settings when, losing in the last minutes, the CPU change his formation from the 4-2-4 to the 2-4-4???

_perfido_

TheBetterHalf · Apr 24, 2009

_perfido_ said:
Hi mate, do u have any suggestion for the OI settings when, losing in the last minutes, the CPU change his formation from the 4-2-4 to the 2-4-4???

_perfido_

I use the same as before, never conceded to that formation but have scored every single time against it( 6 times out of 6 )

steviepars12 · Apr 24, 2009

Used 442 top team tactics with liverpool (who i have always struggled to get going) but these set of tactics are amazing won th epl, fa cup and champs league. Pogrbynak scored over 50 amazing signing my other buy was glen jonson 3/4 of the way thru the season chelsea bid 21.5m for him which i turned down, amazing tactics mate!!!!

Stevie

Ant10 · Apr 24, 2009

Its very bad for me in this time.Im Lazio and my players are very bored.They can not make any chancesoO) i win against Juve 1-0 and Inter lose 1-0 and Catania is better then me .

I use 442 no TM:'(

Help

Melo from Bosnia (H)

TheBetterHalf · Apr 24, 2009

Ant10 said:
Its very bad for me in this time.I'm Lazio and my players are very bored.They can not make any chancesoO) i win against Juve 1-0 and Inter lose 1-0 and Catania is better then me .

I use 442 no TM:'(

Help

Melo from Bosnia (H)

Could you provide me with some more information about the version picking and the way the opponents are playing when you are struggling.

Cheers

Ant10 · Apr 24, 2009

the better half my english isn t very good but i will try.
5 min. ago i played against Reggina with playmaker away attack ^^)
I start with Balance.
Use OI

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8223/34805780.jpg

OMG SEE THIS oO)

i will upload match to see

crimepjes94 · Apr 24, 2009

hi i need a tacktik for fenerbahce ????? amc is alex target man guiza and semih

TheBetterHalf · Apr 28, 2009

crimepjes94 said:
hi i need a tacktik for fenerbahce ????? amc is alex target man guiza and semih

Is this request for a set or is it just a post in general( posted in the wrong thread)

sinned_82 · May 4, 2009

sinned_82 said:
Hmm... I had implemented the respective OIs, like you mentioned. maybe i'll try to do it earlier from now on, or avoid lowering the player mentalities, see how it goes. If it still doesn't improve, i'll consider switching to the 4-4-2. Based on the feedbacks in this thread, seems like it has better results.

Hi TBH, completed my first season with Liverpool using the 4231 noTM. I avoided meddling too much with the mentalities (only the DCs, they have no pace), and had a good run in the league (23 games unbeaten) and won the league by one point on the last day! Credit to you TBH, Thanks!

However, things did not go so well on the cup side. Out of the League cup and Champs Lge at the Qfinal stage, by Boro and Chelsea respectively. Lost the FA Cup final to Man U 1-2 (to a 83rd min goal).

Will be trying out the 442 noTM for the upcoming new season, see if it will allow me to win games more convincingly, as I have been hanging on to 1 goal leads most of the time using the 4231. Any tips or pointers?

TheBetterHalf · May 4, 2009

sinned_82 said:
Hi TBH, completed my first season with Liverpool using the 4231 noTM.

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Will be trying out the 442 noTM for the upcoming new season, see if it will allow me to win games more convincingly, as I have been hanging on to 1 goal leads most of the time using the 4231. Any tips or pointers?

Its always easier to read the game playing a 442 without target men and/or playmakers so in that sense, the 442 NO TM is a better set.
As for pointers, have a look at the FCright as you might have to tweak his settings to suit your player if he is not up for the Complete FC role.

TarmacCE · May 5, 2009

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Still, I cannot beat Arsenal in the league with my Liverpool team. Therefore I have this question, which hopefully can help other managers in the Premier league as well.<o

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Which of all the different tactics you have made will you recommend to my Liverpool team? <o></o>
This is my team and I prefer a normal flat 4-4-2.<o

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Rafinha – Fazio – Sakho – Insua<o

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Aguero – Torres<o

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Bench: Bojan, Laurito, Sanches, Zirchov, Leo, Santon, Camacho, and other young players<o

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There is one area of the tactics (4-4-2 no target man) which I have used the most, that is not working well for me. My side midfielders do not seem to perform as well as the rest of the team. They only score few goals, and they do not make many assists. Furthermore they rarely play a whole match because they get tired really fast. I know that can be due to the player’s stamina etc. but anyways, maybe they are just running too much without achieving anything. <o

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[FONT=&quot]What can be done to fix this? [/FONT]

TheBetterHalf · May 5, 2009

If facing Wenger( at home) I find that Attack away works best and when playing away, I use Defensive.

I would recommend the 442 No TM

My Wingers are getting most assists of all the players and make between 5-10 interceptions every game, so I cant say that I have noticed that

sinned_82 · May 5, 2009

TarmacCE said:
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[FONT=&quot]What can be done to fix this? [/FONT]

Yes, i'm using the 442 noTM currently, and compared to the 4231, my wingers tire really easily, by the end of the match they are like under 70%. But i have to agree with TBH that my midfielders contribute alot. Gerrard is my current top scorer, and my right wing (Alexis Sanchez) is top assist together with Torres. Can't say the same for my leftwing though.

Oh btw, since it seems you're also using Insua as first choice LB, how's he? I'm undecided between him, mattock and dossena for LB. So far he's been mediocre for me.

Preston85 · May 5, 2009

TarmacCE said:
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I think the winger problem is because of the type of wingers you have is not what the 4-4-2 formation is designed to use. 4-4-2 wingers are typically assist players and not goal scorers. Your wingers (Babel and Dos Santos) are goal scorers and not really assisters. If they arn't playing ST then they really need to play AML/AMR, that way they are more advanced and the narrower the formation the more central they are hence the better chance of a shot. Of course you could play too narrow and things get to crowded but playing maxed width with those wingers is wasting there abilities so you have to find a balance.

Their attributes arn't great for assisting anyway before you consider their natural foot is the opposite you would want. Babel is Right footed and plays on left, Dos Santos is Left but plays on right (but is more both footed), so if you have Babel running down the wing and hitting a cross in from the byeline using his left foot, its going to be less effective than its already low attribute. Players like that if they are going to cross have to cut back before sending a cross in with there strongest foot.

TarmacCE · May 6, 2009

When I think of it I actually prefer Sakho at as LB and Insua as reserve, because I have a Wonderkid CB (can't remember his name). So for me Insua is mediocre as you describe yourself. <o

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FRANZRUDOLF · May 7, 2009

thebetterhalf i'm really grateful for yr excellent tactics. thanks to them
i'm currently leading the eredivisie with my almost default ajax. only new faces are: santon, adrien, tuia (not very good) and emir faccioli (a load of
s**t). have played 9 matches, won 8, lost 1 (to feyernoord, the dutch derby). also doing quite well in europe (uefa cup), 5:0 home and 1:0 away
against odense in prel.rnd. and in group stage 2:0 away (maritimo)
and 3:1 home (udinese). at home i mix top notch attack away with
counter. away mostly counter. so if i get some silverware in my first season, i´ll owe it to you and your set of tactics. keep up the good work,
mate!!

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