***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

should i concentrate on there fitness in the low leagues ? rather than there abilities
 
Coup1980 said:
should i concentrate on there fitness in the low leagues ? rather than there abilities
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I would train them in fitness,tactics and ball control, along with à individual for each player, like pace for wingers, finishing for strikers etc. To be honest, when playing at the lowest level the players rarely get better so its mord about getting better players.
 
Shiraz said:
Yeah, that is why I keep going back to downloaded tactics. I could not have said it more perfectly, tactically unversed is exactly what I am :)

Every tactical change I make is due to guesswork or because I read about it online and I am not sure if it does what it is supposed to have done.

Anyway, I guess it is back to a downloaded tactic for me and maybe looking for other challenges such as buying the right players.

Cheers
Shiraz
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I feel exactly the same but I'm really stubborn and will always try to get a tactic to work.
 
If playing with à middleteam that do have à good squad, then making à tactic is really simple

Use 2 strategies, Control and counter. Use 2 groups of shouts, one playing wider , perhaps also deeper fot more space, and pushing up the fullbacks , getting the ball forward and one keeping possession by playing more narrow, lesser t-balls etc. Then, you play Control against teams you SHOULD beat and switch shouts depending on if you need to score or not. Playing counter against teams you feel Will attack you, attackng them if there is space to exploit or keeping the ball if you feel like playing really cautious
 
 
So after watching that United - Arsenal game, I felt inspired and have come up with a tactic that I think could work quite well:



I have not decided on any specific team instructions because I am not sure about those still but what do you think TBH?

I intend to change strategy (Attack - Control and Defend - Counter) based on match situation and use some of the shouts you suggested. Not sure if I should leave it on balanced or changed to Fluid/Rigid. Undecided there :)
 
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Mate, honestly, you're a pro at this game! the formation is a dream for the players i can sign now. got Burnley up to 9th in the premier league and now I have the england job as well. a true gent, much appreciated! Personal highlight, smashing Chelsea 7-1
 
coxy1234 said:
I've started a Cambridge United save. I've got a strong squad with a lot of potential and current ability. Especially my cm's. My training is fine but i can't get my tactic to work.

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I think you could probably use something like the Arsenal wide 4231, just dropping the amrl into mrl position. Using the controlbased approach at home and probably the counter ones away ( but do follow the game to see what measurements to take during the game)
 
Shiraz said:
So after watching that United - Arsenal game, I felt inspired and have come up with a tactic that I think could work quite well:



I have not decided on any specific team instructions because I am not sure about those still but what do you think TBH?

I intend to change strategy (Attack - Control and Defend - Counter) based on match situation and use some of the shouts you suggested. Not sure if I should leave it on balanced or changed to Fluid/Rigid. Undecided there :)
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I think you Will do fine with that approach. One hint though, dont underestimate dropping deeper when playing wider and hassling the opponent. Against those defensive teams, you might sometimes need all the space you can get.
 
Could you tell me what two sets of shouts to use?

I know you mentioned it above but I just wanted to clarify.

To create more space and attack, I should use:


Play Wider
Drop Deeper
Exploit the Flanks
Get Ball Forward

And to keep posession:

Play Narrower
Pass To Feet
Retain Posession

Any others?

Also, I was thinking of adding "Work Ball into box" always as I see too many shots from range using the above setup.
 
TheBetterHalf said:
I think you could probably use something like the Arsenal wide 4231, just dropping the amrl into mrl position. Using the controlbased approach at home and probably the counter ones away ( but do follow the game to see what measurements to take during the game)
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thanks for the advice

any chance i could have a link for that tactic you suggested
 
coxy1234 said:
thanks for the advice

any chance i could have a link for that tactic you suggested
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Just look in the opening post and you will find it ( to the post with the screenies, not an upload as there is none)
 
andybrown10 said:
Mate, honestly, you're a pro at this game! the formation is a dream for the players i can sign now. got Burnley up to 9th in the premier league and now I have the england job as well. a true gent, much appreciated! Personal highlight, smashing Chelsea 7-1
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Thats great !! Where you not in the bottom of the league before switching to it ( the deep 4222) ?
Would you care posting à screenie of your fixtures ( the list) using this approach?

Cheers :)
 
Just wanted to post an update on how things are going. I started a new save and fiddled with my tactic through pre-season.

This is what I have settled on:

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And this is what happened in the CS with Nani sent off early on:



I moved Rooney to MCR and Giggs to ML and changed the strategy to Standard, destroyed City. Is it possible that when the Poacher is placed centrally between the opposition centre-backs, he scores alot more? Because I cannot understand how I scored 5 goals against City with 10 men. If that is the case, then I think moving the STCR to AMC and the STCL to STC would be better, what do you think?

I think that would give me the additional benefit of not struggling against tactics with 5 in midfield (like Barca etc.)

Anyway, I am really excited with this save for the first time in a while and would love to hear any thoughts :D
 
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Shiraz said:
Just wanted to post an update on how things are going. I started a new save and fiddled with my tactic through pre-season.

This is what I have settled on:


And this is what happened in the CS with Nani sent off early on:



I moved Rooney to MCR and Giggs to ML and changed the strategy to Standard, destroyed City. Is it possible that when the Poacher is placed centrally between the opposition centre-backs, he scores alot more? Because I cannot understand how I scored 5 goals against City with 10 men. If that is the case, then I think moving the STCR to AMC and the STCL to STC would be better, what do you think?

I think that would give me the additional benefit of not struggling against tactics with 5 in midfield (like Barca etc.)

Anyway, I am really excited with this save for the first time in a while and would love to hear any thoughts
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Red card

When a user get a man sent off and change the formation, moving one Fc into the midfield, placing one FC in the middle, the current match engine cant handle it. It has to do with the marking system and OI´s that the AI uses. Basically, it’s a flaw !. If you had been playing a flat 4141 using a DMC and one Fc and the DMC had been sent off, it would not have happen :D


The approach

Anyway, I think you are getting the hang off it, using as more balanced approach, a balanced between attack and defence, having enough players in the transition phase.

Good luck with this save now, and don’t hesitate to report back and/or ask questions about certain situations, when to use shout X or Y etc
 
CHELSEA 41221

A TOPTEAM & MIDDLETEAM TACTIC


Notice ! The tactic is NOT uploaded. Instead, just follow the instructions as how to set it up. Any tweaks away from the pure TC-settings will be pointed out in the text and/or the screenies.



Disclaimer: This is in no way an emulation.


Here, we will find not 2 or 3 but 4 approaches. When playing wih a top notch team, the aim will always be to BE IN CONTROL OF THE GAME, no matter how the opponent chose to play .The key is to see if your players are finding space that they can exploit or of they have to create it them selves, if the players need to sit deeper and counter or if you have to push up and gain control by hassle the opponent
The tactic uses complete fullbacks and a mobile and complete FC ( by quality, not role). In midfield, we use a anchorman, a creative player and one that is allowed to burst forward. Finding space. So in short, it’s a destroyer/marker, a creator and an explosive box2box. Down the wings, we use Inside forwards
As you also see, this approach is not for top teams only, but also for middle teams.

Top teams vs Middle teams – What approach am I most likely to use ?
- Well, if playing a Chelsea, you are more likely to face defensive teams and actually be able to stretch them ( as you are quality), hence using the first approach more often than lets say Blackburn, that are morel likely to use the 2 counter approaches.

General Tweaks away form the TC settings:
- Focus play set to Mixed


Also suited for : All teams that has many good central MCs and not too many FCs. Teams that do have the quality to finish top 12(!), i.e not being a real underdog


1st strategy: Attacking Possession

Although this is the main approach, you will probably need the other ones just as much. Perhaps not in the home as Chelsea in your 4th season, but as Olympiakos or Benfica in the CL, you need to be more cautious then this. Here, we play a balanced control based approach and let our wide players provide lots of width and we hassle the opponent and at the same time we try to keep possession when getting back the ball.

If playing against really deep sitting teams, It can be a good idea to actually shout “ drop deeper” in a way to stretch the opponent even more and if this ultra defensive opponent is using a holding DMC that gets a lot of ball, us the FC to man mark him and close him down always in the OI´s.

General Tweaks away form the TC settings:

- The MCright have Hold Ball set to NO ( so he never does it regardless of shouts)
- The focus play



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2nd Strategy Direct Counter

Here, we play on the counter, getting the ball forward. We push up the team and play more direct balls into channels for our attackers and wingers to run onto. This is a way to exploit either the gap between the opponents attacking wingers and their deep sitting defenders and/or their attacking fullbacks, playing the ball over the top. If the opponents its with the while team behind the ball, this approach can be fruitless


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3rd Strategy: A BALANCED APPROACH

Here, we try to sit with more men behind the ball, retaining possession and keeping the ball in the team. Obvious, we will still burst at goal and since we play with 4 attacking minded players (by roles and player types), this will happen often. The fullbacks will not join the attacks but instead move up with the rest of the team and keep the shape. We keep dribbling to a minimum and play a shorter passing game. In short, we play a nice possession based approach in that sense that we keep possession in good positions and restrict the opponent to keeping possession far away from our goal.

If being uncertain how to start a match, this is ALWAYS a good option


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4th Strategy: Cautious Counter

Here, we are playing much more cautious, perhaps an approach that will mainly be used away to really good teams or when wanting to grind out a result ort hold on to a results. To cool things down a bit.


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Next up, The narrow Italian approaches

Narrow 4312: Top team & Middle team - testing with Inter and Genoa
Narrow 4132: Middle team & Underdog - testing with Cagliari & Novara
 
Just a little update from me. These were the next two games I played:

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Against City, I played with a Standard strategy and I think that contributed to the loss in addition to playing Phil Jones DC as Ferdinand was injured. They left alot of space in behind when attacking and I should have used the Counter strategy.

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I played Control against Liverpool and absolutely thrashed them again using Phil Jones at DC so maybe I just chose the wrong strategy in the previous match

NB: Please let me know if my constant updates are clogging up what is essentially your tactics thread TBH and I will stop. I just want to get a second opinion on my tactic and thoughts from an expert :)
 
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