***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

Hi there,

I've experiment your tactic with Liverpool (only 2 games, so my opinions doesn't rely there), Benfica and Bilbao. This are my ideas:
- I really like the flow of the tactic. The counter tactics are my favorites. This one press very high and doesn't let our opponent play. Very nice;
- However, especially with Benfica (top side in the Portuguese league), can't manage to create much danger. I know that's because teams sit very deep against us, but this is just what I've observed, I'm not criticizing :) manage to win away at Porto with them not create any danger and draw at Bernabeu.
- With Bilbao the story is a little different. Maybe because don't have the right players or have to rotate them due to Euro League, this approach doesn't work very well. Have a couple of victories indeed. But in the most part of the games, If a team manage to grab the first goal, almost never manage to equalize. Even in Europe, 2 losses. I've only played 10 games or so, I know, but doesn't work very good.

Might begin a proper save with Benfica, using this as an approach for tough matches.

Good work indeed :)

Cheers
 
Hi there!

I've a couple of doubts that I want to ask you, mainly regard to shouts. I want to start a proper save with Benfica, micro managing! Almost for sure, I'll use the TC and shouts, to make possible to have several approaches. In mainly approach I want to play a high pressing and tempo game, just like Madrid, Germany, etc.

I know that's may not be possible in the first games cause it requires too much from the players and Benfica's squad need some improvement lol. However I'm thinking in the following set:

balanced/counter/press more/more disciplined/zonal mark. Using the following shouts: push higher up, play narrower, work ball into box, get ball forward and hassle opponents. Of course with other approaches, for when we're winning, against tough opposition, etc..

about the formation and roles, I want to wait for the players that I'll bring. But I guess it will will be a 4-5-1 at the beginning with some players in the space to provide some support, etc. Then move on to something more evolved..

Do you think this is the right approach? Especially the shouts...

Cheers mate!
 
TheBetterHalf said:
Good start to the season !
Hard to say if its the players ( stats & PPMs) as I don't know them. Also, are the goals scored from the left side or are they created from there ?
My point is that if they are just scored from their , the problem might lie elsewhere, their ML getting too much space on our right sude, to cross against our left post etc
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Its mostly from crosses and opponents running through my left side.
 
TheBetterHalf said:
Thats a really good results being a newly promoted team. Now, dont go spoil it all buying 10 new players from South Amercia/ France that dont speak English, players that will get in the future but just arent there yet :)
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yea, south america, but whats about work permit?
for example:
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ofcourse he didnt get work permit
 
marius1973 said:
Its mostly from crosses and opponents running through my left side.
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I cant say that I have seen this pattern in my saves so if you have played enough matches to really evaluate this, then its probably down to the players.
 
jukilo said:
Hi there,

I've experiment your tactic with Liverpool (only 2 games, so my opinions doesn't rely there), Benfica and Bilbao. This are my ideas:
- I really like the flow of the tactic. The counter tactics are my favorites. This one press very high and doesn't let our opponent play. Very nice;
- However, especially with Benfica (top side in the Portuguese league), can't manage to create much danger. I know that's because teams sit very deep against us, but this is just what I've observed, I'm not criticizing :) manage to win away at Porto with them not create any danger and draw at Bernabeu.
- With Bilbao the story is a little different. Maybe because don't have the right players or have to rotate them due to Euro League, this approach doesn't work very well. Have a couple of victories indeed. But in the most part of the games, If a team manage to grab the first goal, almost never manage to equalize. Even in Europe, 2 losses. I've only played 10 games or so, I know, but doesn't work very good.

Might begin a proper save with Benfica, using this as an approach for tough matches.

Good work indeed :)

Cheers
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With Bilbao, its probably down to what you wrote. If you dont have the players for using this high energy approach in your tight match schedule, then you will not overperform.

When looking at the Benfica matches against teams sittting deep, dont look too much on the match stats bnut instead at the flow. If you still win these matches I would not worry too much. It might be that you nearly create really, really good CCCs but as the final pass is intercepted or poorly performed, you wont see it. Have a look at a full games where it looks like you are struggling and see if this is the scenario. In my current Forest save, I see lots of matches like this. I score about 3 goals every match against teams playing defensive against us, mostly from really, really good chances that my grandmother would have slotted in so its not the amount of chances, its the quality that counts.

Naturally, there are matches when my players are having bad day, and then I struglle to score just like in real life
 
Yeah, that's a good point. Indeed, in that save, we have good chances but, for some reason, the strikers doesn't score.
And, on other hand, the squad was with many new faces and I guess that, with this (good) approach we need to arrange the right players, give it time and really micro manage (ppm's, stats, etc). Maybe a thing to see on the future since this was just for fun and test (got my approval, lol).

Thanks for the support. I'll start a new career game in Benfica and perhaps use this tactic.

Cheers
 
Maybe I missed this information.


what's interesting ppm for your tactics ? (i've seen those for the stiker)
 
Had a "meh" time with this at Liverpool, but in my Spurs save, this tactic is DA BOMB.

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Adebayor has scored 2 or more goals in every competitive game aside from City(1) and Chelsea(0). Lennon is ripping apart the right flank on his day, but Bale hasn't been doing much unfortunately. The striker scores all the goals, and so far, only 7 goals have not been scored by the striker, and that is slightly worrying in-case my striker(s) go out of form. I seem to concede a lot of late and/or STUPID goals, and it isn't because of my defenders' concentration, because all of them have 13+
 
CarTOON said:
Had a "meh" time with this at Liverpool, but in my Spurs save, this tactic is DA BOMB.

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Adebayor has scored 2 or more goals in every competitive game aside from City(1) and Chelsea(0). Lennon is ripping apart the right flank on his day, but Bale hasn't been doing much unfortunately. The striker scores all the goals, and so far, only 7 goals have not been scored by the striker, and that is slightly worrying in-case my striker(s) go out of form. I seem to concede a lot of late and/or STUPID goals, and it isn't because of my defenders' concentration, because all of them have 13+
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Looks good. With this tactic, why not try to retrain Bale as a AMC or use him as the Left Fullback.
As for late goals, is this when you have already won the game ? If so, then it's because the players feels it's already won and stops closing down the opponent. In real life, a team would try to play out the game and retain possession, dropping deeper but as this is a plug & play tactic, you will see these things happen.
 
intensa said:
Maybe I missed this information.


what's interesting ppm for your tactics ? (i've seen those for the stiker)
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Well, there are 3 major roles where the players really needs to match the tactic

AMC - Needs to be attacking, so here, really cautious ppms or " drops deep to get the ball" is NOT good. Bette then to use " plays t-balls, gets forward, runs with ball through the center

MC - Needs to stay back so no conflicting ppms.

FC - already in the OP

Apart from this, it's all about having ppms that match the ability of the players. If you use a DMC that thas the ppms of a playmaker ( look at Nordveit at Gladbach) and the stats of an anchorman, he will still try to dictate tempo, stop play , play direct balls into channels, all this without being good at it at all. If a wide player is good in dribbling and crossing, why not learn " runs down the x flank". If he has great acceleration and pace BUT is average in dribbling ( think Shaun wright Philips IRL), then " knocks ball past opponent" is a good one. In the end, just make sure the ppms matches his abilities, you would be surprised how many players in the game have conflicting ones.
 
TheBetterHalf said:
Well, there are 3 major roles where the players really needs to match the tactic

AMC - Needs to be attacking, so here, really cautious ppms or " drops deep to get the ball" is NOT good. Bette then to use " plays t-balls, gets forward, runs with ball through the center

MC - Needs to stay back so no conflicting ppms.

FC - already in the OP

Apart from this, it's all about having ppms that match the ability of the players. If you use a DMC that thas the ppms of a playmaker ( look at Nordveit at Gladbach) and the stats of an anchorman, he will still try to dictate tempo, stop play , play direct balls into channels, all this without being good at it at all. If a wide player is good in dribbling and crossing, why not learn " runs down the x flank". If he has great acceleration and pace BUT is average in dribbling ( think Shaun wright Philips IRL), then " knocks ball past opponent" is a good one. In the end, just make sure the ppms matches his abilities, you would be surprised how many players in the game have conflicting ones.
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Thank you for your help
 
This tactic is unbelievable. Switched over to it in my San Marino league after mediocre results with other tactics and I've won 7 in a row. Most tactics don't work with **** players but this is amazing. Thanks and well done!
 
TheBetterHalf said:
Looks good. With this tactic, why not try to retrain Bale as a AMC or use him as the Left Fullback.
As for late goals, is this when you have already won the game ? If so, then it's because the players feels it's already won and stops closing down the opponent. In real life, a team would try to play out the game and retain possession, dropping deeper but as this is a plug & play tactic, you will see these things happen.
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I don't think Bale has the passing to play AMC, so I will probably give Santon a break and try Bale at LB when he comes back from injury. Regarding the goals, they started out being stupid headed ones late on (80+ mins) when we have a 2 or 3 goal lead and it gets scary from there cause they create 2-3 more good chances before the end of the game. But now they have begun to come early as well as we're conceding 2 and 3 against small teams, and I'm beginning to worry how I'll hold out in December, because I have a straight run of games against Arsenal, City, United, Liverpool and Newcastle. I've also noticed how badly I've sucked if Adebayor becomes nervous because I tend not to be able to score at all then.
 
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Hi, can you suggest me a good striker? i have belfodil he is very good(16 goal in first part of this season) but is young and so he is discontinuous. i use Borussia Moncheblangh
 
willhuntig said:
Hi, can you suggest me a good striker? i have belfodil he is very good(16 goal in first part of this season) but is young and so he is discontinuous. i use Borussia Moncheblangh
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How much money do you have and what wage can you offer ?
 
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