***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

This is an odd one, for me its between this tactic and Modern Warfare! But this tactic seems to lead to more dodgy results! I am playing as Barca (hate bigger teams but my mate insisted) and he is playing with a 5-3-1-1 (Mr Houghs tactic) with Real Madrid and I played with this tactic in the champs league final against him and I was ripped apart! The defence is very questionable at times which seems odd..... any solutions?
Curent team:
GK: Valdes
RB: Puyol
CB: Pique
CB: Chiellini
LB: Alba
CDM: M/vila/Masch?
CM: Inesta/Xavi
AML: Griezman
MR: Sanchez
CAM: Messi
S: Falcao
 
vnG said:
Hi TBH.

First of all, thanks for all the hard work.

The tactic has made my life as a Liverpool manager so much easier, but its like im lacking the final things to make this perfect. I win many of my hard games, only to find my self losing to lower class teams.

What do you need from me in order to figure out whats wrong?
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If you keep loosing matches where you are the much better team, then within this approach it's either a man management issue or a issue with pickin the first 11. When you face these teams, how do you prepare your different players for it?

Example:
A player that struggles with pressure( being put on him), what do you say to him ?
A player that is able to handle the pressure but sometimes gets complacent ( resulting in him getting frustrated and furiouse ), what do you say to him and in what manner( tone) ?


Personally, I take notes about my players. In real life, a manager would perhaps not do this but as we have real jobs/school to worry about, I tend o write these down so I remember.


vnG said:
Here is something for starters - let me know what other information you need ;)

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My own thinking goes on my many injuries combined with a really small squad (if we are talking decent players). Maybe you have some other suggestions.
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Looking at your squad. I think you are spot on here. Too many matches every week along with injuries makes it look like you are actually not the stronger team in many matches.
 
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nosh64 said:
This is an odd one, for me its between this tactic and Modern Warfare! But this tactic seems to lead to more dodgy results! I am playing as Barca (hate bigger teams but my mate insisted) and he is playing with a 5-3-1-1 (Mr Houghs tactic) with Real Madrid and I played with this tactic in the champs league final against him and I was ripped apart! The defence is very questionable at times which seems odd..... any solutions?
Curent team:
GK: Valdes
RB: Puyol
CB: Pique
CB: Chiellini
LB: Alba
CDM: M/vila/Masch?
CM: Inesta/Xavi
AML: Griezman
MR: Sanchez
CAM: Messi
S: Falcao
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Wel, one game does not tell anything and I have never used this tactic against human made tactics etc. But if not looking at that specific game where it could have been down to many other factors. Could you present some other times where you see a pattern where things looks dodgy?
 
Cedillin said:
Hi TBH, I now trying your tactic with Malaga but away the results are very poor... The team don't shoot and i only draw away (sorry for mi english im from spain)
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Could you give me an example of your line up in away matches an how you prepare the players for it regarding the pre game press conf and team talk etc ?
 
Just won the treble first season with Liverpool ! Europa League , Premier and Capital one ! P-38 W-29 D-3 L-6
Thx, TBH great work ! scored 74 goals and conc. 24 ! Best defence !
 
Fikito said:
Just won the treble first season with Liverpool ! Europa League , Premier and Capital one ! P-38 W-29 D-3 L-6
Thx, TBH great work ! scored 74 goals and conc. 24 ! Best defence !
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Great season ! Would you care to post some screenshots or the table, fixtures etc ?

Cheers
 
dear friend,

i am playing my team with this and really impressive but i have a small question: why did you choose this tactic is rigid instead of fluid?
 
thekidvn said:
dear friend,

i am playing my team with this and really impressive but i have a small question: why did you choose this tactic is rigid instead of fluid?
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As stated previously, I made this tactic in the Classic tactic mode. Then a user copy & pasted all the settings using the Tactic Creator. All settings are manually tweaked so there are no Philosophy, no strategy or roles.

If you look at the settings, you will see that it IS rather fluid.
 
Wauw!

Fikito said:
Just won the treble first season with Liverpool ! Europa League , Premier and Capital one ! P-38 W-29 D-3 L-6
Thx, TBH great work ! scored 74 goals and conc. 24 ! Best defence !
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Impressive, how did you do that?

What players have been good for you and what players have you bought/sold? - I cant seem to win, even tho' I have tried everything.

Do you use alot of talking with your players, tweaking your tactic due to your next opponent or something?
 
Trying this with Everton and i have a few points to discuss.

1) Striker rarely scores.

Obviously this may be down to the player. Nikica Jelavic has the stats to suggest he is a good candidate due to 17 finishing. 16 off the ball etc yet he very rarely gets a shot away let alone score. I will stick it out and see how it develops (only 10 games in but tactics are fluid) but sitting on the fringe of Europe league places having scored less goals than games played is worrying.

2) The importance of the CM's creativity.

I am using Fellaini with only 12 or so creativity and find that not a lot of chances are made through the middle of the pitch unless a winger cuts in or the AI makes an error. Will try more creative mids when i get the funds.

3) Morale

It may just be me but it seems that regardless of what happens, morale tends to drop when using this tactic. Perhaps some kind of guide?
 
I've tried your tactics a few times with random succes. (I'll go through a whole season soon though to test it properly :) )

But my question is about the TC compared to the Classic one.
You say that they are exactly the same but in you description you say that the Classic version uses a DLP as a centre midt but in the TC version it's a normal central midtfielder. That puzzles me a bit.
The same goes for the AML. In the Classic description he's a Winger but in the TC version he's an AP.

Also I seem to get better results with the Classic version which is annoying as I like TC tactics better.

So to me they seem different but I might have misunderstood something (actually that's very likely ;) )
 
kewell1000 said:
I've tried your tactics a few times with random succes. (I'll go through a whole season soon though to test it properly :) )

But my question is about the TC compared to the Classic one.
You say that they are exactly the same but in you description you say that the Classic version uses a DLP as a centre midt but in the TC version it's a normal central midtfielder. That puzzles me a bit.
The same goes for the AML. In the Classic description he's a Winger but in the TC version he's an AP.

Also I seem to get better results with the Classic version which is annoying as I like TC tactics better.

So to me they seem different but I might have misunderstood something (actually that's very likely ;) )
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Here is a quote from the top of this page and as stated in the OP, the tactics are the same



TheBetterHalf said:
As stated previously, I made this tactic in the Classic tactic mode. Then a user copy & pasted all the settings using the Tactic Creator. All settings are manually tweaked so there are no Philosophy, no strategy or roles.
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With this said, the roles ARE the ones written in the screenshot of the formation.
 
jamin p said:
Trying this with Everton and i have a few points to discuss.

1) Striker rarely scores.

Obviously this may be down to the player. Nikica Jelavic has the stats to suggest he is a good candidate due to 17 finishing. 16 off the ball etc yet he very rarely gets a shot away let alone score. I will stick it out and see how it develops (only 10 games in but tactics are fluid) but sitting on the fringe of Europe league places having scored less goals than games played is worrying.

2) The importance of the CM's creativity.

I am using Fellaini with only 12 or so creativity and find that not a lot of chances are made through the middle of the pitch unless a winger cuts in or the AI makes an error. Will try more creative mids when i get the funds.

3) Morale

It may just be me but it seems that regardless of what happens, morale tends to drop when using this tactic. Perhaps some kind of guide?
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1.) People tend to post the opposite, that the striker scores too many of the goals. Will have a look at his stats/ppms. When he fails to score, how do you handle it? Show faith, being more demanding, are to being calm or giving hairdryers. How does he react when you try to coach him like this ?

2.) Indeed, he acts like a deep DLP so he more creative and with decision, the better the player

3.)Hahaha! Naturally, the Tactical settings DOES NOT bring down morale, that is you as a coach failing.

As for a guide, I can't make one as suvh. I just say what I would do in real life and I take notes about the different players.
 
TheBetterHalf said:
1.) People tend to post the opposite, that the striker scores too many of the goals. Will have a look at his stats/ppms. When he fails to score, how do you handle it? Show faith, being more demanding, are to being calm or giving hairdryers. How does he react when you try to coach him like this ?

2.) Indeed, he acts like a deep DLP so he more creative and with decision, the better the player

3.)Hahaha! Naturally, the Tactical settings DOES NOT bring down morale, that is you as a coach failing.

As for a guide, I can't make one as suvh. I just say what I would do in real life and I take notes about the different players.
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1) I've tried a couple of approaches now and it may have been down to my training set up and/or my man management. Originally i had been passionately telling him before games that i either expect a performance or have faith with no joy and then after a match calmly saying he was unlucky. I have since changed my training focus from balanced to team cohesion which has seen an increase in performance throughout the team as well as being excessively reassuring with Jelavic and seeing him score perhaps a goal every other game or so now. I have also began having a one to one chat with him and telling him he played well last game if he scores 2 or more goals but this seems to make him switch off the next game.

3) I apologise if this came across as me blaming your tactic for the morale. In past saves the players always adapt quickly to a formation and have usually performed reasonably well and so i have been able to be more assertive with players regardless of team and result. Having changed my default approach to passionately telling them they did well each game i have seen a slight improvement. The only area i am struggling with is the pre-match team talk which still seems to have no effect unless i tell them there is no pressure in which case i usually see a poor first half performance until i can tell them they weren't good enough.
 
jamin p said:
3) I apologise if this came across as me blaming your tactic for the morale. In past saves the players always adapt quickly to a formation and have usually performed reasonably well and so i have been able to be more assertive with players regardless of team and result. Having changed my default approach to passionately telling them they did well each game i have seen a slight improvement. The only area i am struggling with is the pre-match team talk which still seems to have no effect unless i tell them there is no pressure in which case i usually see a poor first half performance until i can tell them they weren't good enough.
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No worries, you did not.

About the prematch team talk. Remember that not getting a " green response" does not mean that you have failed.
 
vnG said:
Impressive, how did you do that?

What players have been good for you and what players have you bought/sold? - I cant seem to win, even tho' I have tried everything.

Do you use alot of talking with your players, tweaking your tactic due to your next opponent or something?
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I bought , Jovetic and Wellington Nem at the start and train them on the AML position then bought Falcao (he was transfer listed in January) and Simao from Shandog as a backup/rotation DMC. I have sold Borini , Sturridge , Downing and Henderson. I terminate Pascoe's contract and bring Johan Cruijff as a assistan manager and he does the talkin . Nothing tweaked ! just use the correct player in the correct position !
 
Fikito said:
I bought , Jovetic and Wellington Nem at the start and train them on the AML position then bought Falcao (he was transfer listed in January) and Simao from Shandog as a backup/rotation DMC. I have sold Borini , Sturridge , Downing and Henderson. I terminate Pascoe's contract and bring Johan Cruijff as a assistan manager and he does the talkin . Nothing tweaked ! just use the correct player in the correct position !
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Oh you are using the updated squad from January =)

Well, I always do almost the same, but im just failing. The main difference from your approach to mine is that I havent got the money to buy both Wellington and Jovetic (as far as I know). So I normally act the following on the transfer marked:

Sold:
- Steward Downing
- Jonjo Shelvey
- Joe Cole

Bought:
- Wellington Nem
- Demba Ba

I cant see what I have done wrong, compared to your setup. What is the reason for training Wellington to AML? - Im using his in a rotation with Steven G on AMC.
 
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vnG said:
Oh you are using the updated squad from January =)

Well, I always do almost the same, but im just failing. The main difference from your approach to mine is that I havent got the money to buy both Wellington and Jovetic (as far as I know). So I normally act the following on the transfer marked:

Sold:
- Steward Downing
- Jonjo Shelvey
- Joe Cole

Bought:
- Wellington Nem
- Demba Ba

I cant see what I have done wrong, compared to your setup.
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I would say that in the end, the difference is in the coaching of the players and being able to pick the correct players for the match etc.
 
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