The OMGAWD Rooneys leaving United thread

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I dont see how this is at all related to wayne wanting to leave. :S.

It's related in the sense that Rooney wants out of the club while he still retains some value, before he ends up playing at a mid-table team with no chance of competing at the top.

How has fergies attidudes towards the glazers(his boss) affect wayne not signing a new deal, or wayne wanting to leave. It isnt finicial reasons why wayne is leaving. It isnt he wants an extra 20k a week more then utd are offering. he simply doesnt want to stay for whatever reason, all current reasons are media speculation and rumours.

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Fergie is not bigger then the club and that is not the view of every manchester United fan, I giude you to a post i did at 10:52am to show you, how i would sacrifies fergie to save the club.

Good for you. As I said, 'it seems'. I stand by that for the majority of people. Also, it's easy to say that now, but most of the time you'll all blindly defend him like some kind of pariah.

Mid table is coming for utd, simply becuase no club can stay at the top for ever. out of the top 4 might happen this year. all i know is most utd supporters, are utd through and through whether you or any other fans wants to label someone with the term "Glory Hunter" or not!

Entitled to your opinion. I disagree though. Most United fans wouldn't have supported United without their success. They follow the club because of the trophies, and would have supported Liverpool had things been different in the '90s.

As you rightly said most have only ever known fergie to be the manager, this also means most have only ever known Manchester United. I can imagine a life without Sir Alex, but could i imagine a life without United. Never. I bet that is the same for every other united SUPPORTER around.

You can bet that if you want. I disagree again. Your 'fans' are spread across the world, and their only interest is supporting a club that is successful. Ferguson is part of that success.
 
However, there's no denying that his endorsement of your owners is doing more harm than good.

If you can't see it, you're blinded by faith in a man who ultimately is there to serve your club, not the other way around.


Every utd fan wants the Glaziers out, but if he came out and went against their ownership, what good would that do the club? The owners know that they are unwanted yet have made no attempt to sell
 
It's related in the sense that Rooney wants out of the club while he still retains some value, before he ends up playing at a mid-table team with no chance of competing at the top.

I think no matter if wayne leaves now or in 4 years time, whether united are at the top or in mid table, he will still be wanted by many clubs, in many respects the same way Torres is wanted.


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Good for you. As I said, 'it seems'. I stand by that for the majority of people. Also, it's easy to say that now, but most of the time you'll all blindly defend him like some kind of pariah.

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I defend him, when he is in the right like so many, but when he is wrong i dont defend him.

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Entitled to your opinion. I disagree though. Most United fans wouldn't have supported United without their success. They follow the club because of the trophies, and would have supported Liverpool had things been different in the '90s.
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Whether they all support united because of success is not the point. It is they picked united and they will always have known united. They wont change now.
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You can bet that if you want. I disagree again. Your 'fans' are spread across the world, and their only interest is supporting a club that is successful. Ferguson is part of that success.[/QUOTE]

Fergie is part of the success, he has defined the club and go down as a legend, but like many others, he is not Bigger then Manchester united, and never will be.


Now discussing on IRC, anyone wanna see join.
 
I dont see how this is at all related to wayne wanting to leave. :S.
Mid table is coming for utd, simply becuase no club can stay at the top for ever. out of the top 4 might happen this year. all i know is most utd supporters, are utd through and through whether you or any other fans wants to label someone with the term "Glory Hunter" or not!
As you rightly said most have only ever known fergie to be the manager, this also means most have only ever known Manchester United. I can imagine a life without Sir Alex, but could i imagine a life without United. Never. I bet that is the same for every other united SUPPORTER around.

I disagree. So you are saying that the fact United have more fans by far than say, Wigan, Ipswich or Macclesfield is a coincidence? its not, it because of the trophies they have won. If Wigan were to start dominating English football for the next decade then most young fans in 15 years would be Wigan supporters, not United supporters
 
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Every utd fan wants the Glaziers out, but if he came out and went against their ownership, what good would that do the club? The owners know that they are unwanted yet have made no attempt to sell

Ferguson is an iconic figure within the club.

If he came out and went against their ownership, it might affect his position as manager, sure. It would also tell the world that maybe the Glazers aren't the best thing for United's situation and the supporters who aren't really aware how serious a threat the Glazers are might actually sit up and take notice.

The fact of the matter is, Ferguson only cares about himself. If he felt any love for the club at which he has managed for over 20 years, he wouldn't openly endorse the owners, regardless of how perilous it might make his position.

That is a fact. All he cares about is his own reputation and record for winning trophies.

I've been over this in length on IRC with Scott, and I'm unwilling to argue further with people who blindly defend him until the end. It's tiresome, and predictable, and addressed in my original post.
 
I disagree. So you are saying that the fact United have more fans by far than say, Wigan, Ipswich or Macclesfield is a coincidence? its not, it because of the trophies they have one. If Wigan were to start dominating English football for the next decade then most young fans in 15 years would be Wigan supporters, not United supporters

I am not saying that at all, What i am saying is now they have picked united, they aren t going to just jump ship like some think.
 
I am not saying that at all, What i am saying is now they have picked united, they aren t going to just jump ship like some think.

I see. Maybe they might not come out and admit that they have completely changed allegiance, but im certain many united fans will stop attending games/ buying the merchendise etc if they were to get relegated. I couldnt see them filling a 70- something thousand capacity stadium in the championship.
 
I see. Maybe they might not come out and admit that they have completely changed allegiance, but im certain many united fans will stop attending games/ buying the merchendise etc if they were to get relegated. I couldnt see them filling a 70- something thousand capacity stadium in the championship.

maybe not, but which clubs keeps the same attendance through each league, who had a stad above 20k. It just doesnt happen.

And talk of the championship is a bit premuture. We are joint 3rd you know.
 
I see. Maybe they might not come out and admit that they have completely changed allegiance, but im certain many united fans will stop attending games/ buying the merchendise etc if they were to get relegated. I couldnt see them filling a 70- something thousand capacity stadium in the championship.

I could
 
maybe not, but which clubs keeps the same attendance through each league, who had a stad above 20k. It just doesnt happen.

And talk of the championship is a bit premuture. We are joint 3rd you know.

I couldnt agree more, no way United are going down any time soon, i was just talking hypothetically :)


because the ones that stop going are the ones that support the division, not the team so to speak. If United were to go down there would surely be several thousands of these that would stop attending, instead of most clubs which only have a few thousand that stop coming.
 
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Ferguson is an iconic figure within the club.

If he came out and went against their ownership, it might affect his position as manager, sure. It would also tell the world that maybe the Glazers aren't the best thing for United's situation and the supporters who aren't really aware how serious a threat the Glazers are might actually sit up and take notice.

The fact of the matter is, Ferguson only cares about himself. If he felt any love for the club at which he has managed for over 20 years, he wouldn't openly endorse the owners, regardless of how perilous it might make his position.

That is a fact. All he cares about is his own reputation and record for winning trophies.

I've been over this in length on IRC with Scott, and I'm unwilling to argue further with people who blindly defend him until the end. It's tiresome, and predictable, and addressed in my original post.


Fair enough, that's your opinion, but I disagree

If Ferguson was chasing trophies and didn't care for the future of the club, would he have spent £23.5 million on 3 young players this summer rather than it all on a player who could make an immediate impact?
 
Rooney has released his statement.

Apparently, we couldn't assure him of our future squad. Basically we couldn't tell him who we were looking at signing. IMO, that's him saying I'm going to City because they can sign whoever they want and we can't.
 
It's related in the sense that Rooney wants out of the club while he still retains some value, before he ends up playing at a mid-table team with no chance of competing at the top.

Where have I heard that before?
 
Ferguson is an iconic figure within the club.

If he came out and went against their ownership, it might affect his position as manager, sure. It would also tell the world that maybe the Glazers aren't the best thing for United's situation and the supporters who aren't really aware how serious a threat the Glazers are might actually sit up and take notice.

I don't think it would do much good. Many people are already aware of the problems caused by the Glazers, but are willing to turn a blind eye to it if the trophies keep arriving. Personally I believe that putting his job at risk to make the point about the Glazers wouldn't have much effect because SAF is more likely to come out of it worse that the Glazers. I'm sure many managers would jump at the chance to replace Ferguson despite the obvious mismanagement by the Glazers, so I don't think risking being sacked would help the situation.

In all honesty, I have no idea of the best way to remove the Glazers, if it is actually possible to do so.

The fact of the matter is, Ferguson only cares about himself. If he felt any love for the club at which he has managed for over 20 years, he wouldn't openly endorse the owners, regardless of how perilous it might make his position.

That is a fact. All he cares about is his own reputation and record for winning trophies.

I agree with that, but I don't think it is surprising at all. To become good/great managers, you most likely need to have a huge amount of self-confidence, and in many cases, arrogance. I think most managers are self-orientated, and few ever grow to love the club they manage.
 
Im pretty sure Rooney won't go to City and i will stick my house on it. I don't think he is that stupid and i think he respects Utd and the fans and if he did go to city his life wouldn't be worth living at times.

Im didn't think he would join Chelsea but if he wants to stay in the country and won't go to City then why not Chelsea??
 
Billy for all the big posts you have posted about SAF, no one can go against their owners saying they are ******* bastards who came to ruin our club. He just cannot mess with owners
But this is what Fergie said.

Sir Alex Ferguson has risked the wrath of the Glazers by defending the right of rebel Manchester United fans to protest against their ownership of the club.

The anti-Glazer green and gold campaign, launched by United fans determined to rid the club of its American owers for saddling it with so much debt, has gathered pace in recent weeks.
Thousands of fans are now wearing scarves and replica shirts in the old colours of Newton Heath, the club which evolved into United, in a visually stunning protest at the Glazers.
And far from criticising those fans who support the campaign for their perceived disloyalty, Fergie - an ardent defender of the Glazers - revealed sympathy for their plight.

"It's not a concern," said Fergie. "It just shows you we have fans who care for the club.
"Every fan has a right to complain about what they think is right. We also have to run the club the way we think is right, and I think we're doing the right thing with the club.
"The foundation of the club is just the same as it has been for the last few years.
"We have a good youth set-up, the first-team are doing well and that's what concerns me more than anything at all.
"Obviously there are fans protesting, and we understand where it's coming from, but we carry on with the football side of it.
"I've made my point to the supporters that as long as it doesn't interrupt or interfere with the progress of the team it's fine, and I think they realise that too.

When asked if he would prefer to see fans wearing United's traditional colours of red and white, Fergie added: "It doesn't matter, they're still supporting the one team."

United take on Everton today and Fergie assured Fabio Capello and England fans there was no danger of Wayne Rooney suffering burn-out ahead of the World Cup.
Despite saying he would rest Rooney at some stage between now and the end of the season, Fergie admitted his striker's superb form meant that was not an option.
"Wayne's a fit lad who wants to play all the time, so it's not a question of what I'd like to do, it's a question of his desire to keep playing," said Fergie.
"I don't see any sign of that abating in any way. He's just very focused on playing. He always gets a rough ride form Everton fans there, but he's probably used to that now.
"It's going to be a very difficult game for us. Everton have beaten Chelsea and that shows the potential of their team.
"We recognise it's a massive game for us and hopefully we can navigate it safely."


 
After we win the Barclays Premier League this season Fergie will just thrash out the cash and buy some top class players.Rooney will sign a new long term contract and say that he doesn't know that he was thinking earlier that season.Glazers will surrender and Man Utd will continue to rule the world :) Nice isn't it
 
After we win the Barclays Premier League this season Fergie will just thrash out the cash and buy some top class players.Rooney will sign a new long term contract and say that he doesn't know that he was thinking earlier that season.Glazers will surrender and Man Utd will continue to rule the world :) Nice isn't it

Nice but not realistic.
 
Im pretty sure Rooney won't go to City and i will stick my house on it. I don't think he is that stupid and i think he respects Utd and the fans and if he did go to city his life wouldn't be worth living at times.

Im didn't think he would join Chelsea but if he wants to stay in the country and won't go to City then why not Chelsea??

"Once a blue, always a blue" ..

Springs to mind. If United fans get on his back for wanting away, he may want to **** them off who knows. 230k a week would be impossible to turn down really...

Man City are on the up, and United are on the Decline. Anything could happen
 
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