Three-tactic-COMBO (Man Utd): CONQUER PL title! BANG Barcelona 6-2 Aggr! CL finalist!

[prescottrh]

View attachment 290672


So this is my results minus fa cup (lost 3-2 away at Arsenal in a match I totally dominated and my League cup games (won league cup) read my previous posts on this thread for more info about my philosphopy abput mentality and opp instructions.

Thanks to OP for creating this tactic.

There were a few uses of combo 2 but no more than 4 or 5 matches and in many cases I switched during the game to combo 3 depending on opposition reaction to losing.

 

[dzunglv]

1st. let me explain one thing:

If you use shouts, they will conflict if you changed the sliders. So, combo 1 and combo 2 should not be used with shouts. Combo 3, as its all in default SHOULD be used with shouts if necessary, meaning that if things don't work with 1, 2 or default3, you should use shouts.

Remember that shouts will change your tactic. if you use hard tackle, suing the shout to be less aggressive will overrule your default order.

Now, about your shouts. Playing Combo2 is all about good defending, closing down and counter, right? That's why we use it against bigger teams and/or away matches. I play with Utd and i use this even at home against City.

City will play a 4-2-3-1, with a huge pressing on the defenders and mids. If you retain the ball, you will expect to loose the ball in the mid and get 4 or 5 guys running against 2 CBs. One will try to cut the ball, they will get 2 to run forward and there you have it: a goal on your net!!

I use hassle opponents in some situations like:

Combo 1 - at home, winning by 2 or more goals and not get complacent. I prefer a yellow card and a clean sheet. this shout is given at half-time or after the 2nd goal in the 2 half.
Combo 2 - away, winning by 2 and expecting a cavalry charge. This shout is giving after the 2nd goal
Combo 2 - home or away, against big/similar teams. This shout is given when i feel the team is giving some space to players like Messi, Aguero, Ronaldo, Cavani, etc. I don't want them to feel comfortable


Also, OI is very important. I let Mike Phelan make the job, but i always check his instructions. for example, he does not like to give Balotelli some hard tackle, which, IMO is wrong, so i do it myself. After all, im the boss

Hop it helped.

Hi apvmoreira,

I have just updated the OP, using much information shared by you and another brilliant guys from here. Thanks all for your help until now.

About goal keeper distribution, I agree with you to set to "Defender collect" most of the time. But when you detect that your Goal keeper is closed down and show on weaker foot by your opponent, you should consider change it to "Quick throw" or "Long kick" to avoid unintendedly lost the ball.

 

[dzunglv]

I think i have posted something before about this. Please check some pages behind, but in resume i use ball control in general and defensive positioning on game.

I think im gonna change this too in my 2nd season to i can be more productive at home against smaller teams (ME SMASH)

Great work there mate!

Don't forget to upload screenshots and even tell me when your changes make effects

 

[dzunglv]

View attachment 290672


So this is my results minus fa cup (lost 3-2 away at Arsenal in a match I totally dominated and my League cup games (won league cup) read my previous posts on this thread for more info about my philosphopy abput mentality and opp instructions.

Thanks to OP for creating this tactic.

There were a few uses of combo 2 but no more than 4 or 5 matches and in many cases I switched during the game to combo 3 depending on opposition reaction to losing.

Thank you prescottrh,

I'm sure now your Sunderland has become another strength force in England, with glory and reputation. I'm really proud that my Combo's tactics have become a small part of your adventure. Nice work, mate!

Anyway, If you can, please choose several of your favorite matches, and send them to me. I have never seen the Combo fluid from any of my testers by my eyes

 

[Mckergan]

Am i right in thinking Combo1 is to be used at Home against weaker teams and Away against weaker teams, and Combo2 is to be used against similar/better teams at Home and the same for Away games?

Very confused with the 3 tactics

Also, i have match prep set at Defending Average and Defensive Positioning/Att Movement depending on OPP?

Edit: There is no shouts is there, except for what APV said about Hassle Opponents?

 

[dzunglv]

Am i right in thinking Combo1 is to be used at Home against weaker teams and Away against weaker teams, and Combo2 is to be used against similar/better teams at Home and the same for Away games?

Very confused with the 3 tactics

Also, i have match prep set at Defending Average and Defensive Positioning/Att Movement depending on OPP?

Edit: There is no shouts is there, except for what APV said about Hassle Opponents?

Actually, which Combo tactic you should use in a specific time depends on many aspects. The opponent's tempo, opponent's marking and closing down, opponent's skillful, pacey attackers and tall players with good header attributes. And the most important is about the tempo of the match you are playing. That's the key for any tactic in FM2013 to be succeed that the manager should be familiar with the tactic, and be able to make modification in games. I believe that apvmoreira have tested and used more than just one Shouts, because he is very good at this.

However, like I said in the OP, everything has a starting point. To be familiar with my Combo tactics, it will be the easiest way to follow this first-aid instruction:
"a. Home games: start with 1Combo. However:

• - If the team struggle to possess it and cannot create chance, switch to 3Combo, change strategy to Counter
• - If the team waste so many chances and you want some more pressure, switch to 3Combo/ Overload

b. Away games: Use 2Combo. Please do not use 1Combo and 3Combo in Away games, except the case where all your direct balls are intercepted by tall opponents (just 1 time happen to me during season)

• - If the team create some chances and your opponent cannot do the same thing, change strategy to Balance/ Attack
• - If the opponent is too strong, many chances created toward your goal, change strategy to Defensive/ or Contain (even with Contain tactic you can launch counter and score, don’t worry)
• - If not much match time left and you want to hold on to the result, change to Defensive, and use this shout: Retain possession, Pass to feet, Drop deeper. "

I can see in my thread that many managers have developed their own way of using my tactics. That is what I want the most when I create these tactics, easy to be altered to your wishes, easy to replace each others during matches. But at first try, testers just keep the above instruction in mind. After you get familiar with Combo tactics and see how they work, it will be easier for you to decide how to use them in advance, I suppose so

Anyway, your attention glads me alot. Please be free to ask me more on choosing the tactics. Like you can provide me the Team you will facing next, the pre-match profile, weather, pitch size, reference, who you have in your squad, and what you expect from the Team performance, I will help you to make pre-match choices anyway. Have a good game mate!

 

[dzunglv]

This is why a lot of people are hating FM. They're clinging for one good tactic and hoping it will win them the league without changing it. Teams study you and that is why one tactic won't do. You need to rotate tactics to stop becoming predictable. Great work mate.

I see your point, mate! Totally agree that you will win nothing regard FM2013 is just a game. It's a mind game now and we should never stop to try it better and see it clearer.

However how about trying my tactics, mate? :$ :$:$:$

 

[pilmalm]

Dzunglv:

I'm a little bit confused now. Yesterday you wrote you would delete the updated tactic cause it wasnt consistent?! But it still on the OP. Should i use this one or stick with the original?

thanks

 

[dzunglv]

Dzunglv:

I'm a little bit confused now. Yesterday you wrote you would delete the updated tactic cause it wasnt consistent?! But it still on the OP. Should i use this one or stick with the original?

thanks

Hi pilmalm,

The tactics now in OP are the original ones. It is a .rar file including 1Combo, 2Combo and 3Combo. The updated and new ones which do not work had been deleted. They are separated downloads for 1Combo and 2Combo, but I have deleted them.

If you mentioned about Update 1.0 and 1.1, they are just plain text. No tactics provided around there.

 

[pilmalm]

Hi pilmalm,

The tactics now in OP are the original ones. It is a .rar file including 1Combo, 2Combo and 3Combo. The updated and new ones which do not work had been deleted. They are separated downloads for 1Combo and 2Combo, but I have deleted them.

If you mentioned about Update 1.0 and 1.1, they are just plain text. No tactics provided around there.

Ohh, haha saw that now! sry mate! Still using the original one!

cheers

 

[itzafro]

this tactic seems awesome! first game had man utd in community shield won 3-2, then first league game i beat wigan 2-0 and had 71% possession! will update as i go through the season

 

[Tezzz]

I see your point, mate! Totally agree that you will win nothing regard FM2013 is just a game. It's a mind game now and we should never stop to try it better and see it clearer.

However how about trying my tactics, mate? :$ :$:$:$

I normally have a wonder around the tactics thread seeing different peoples philosiphys but to be honest I don't tend to test many out. If I get a free night though I'll definitely try this out for you.

 

[Mckergan]

Anyway, your attention glads me alot. Please be free to ask me more on choosing the tactics. Like you can provide me the Team you will facing next, the pre-match profile, weather, pitch size, reference, who you have in your squad, and what you expect from the Team performance, I will help you to make pre-match choices anyway. Have a good game mate!

If i am using Combo2 away from Home and i want to hold onto a lead, do i just switch the strategy to defensive or contain and use the shouts recommended(Retain possession, pass to feet, drop deeper and hassle opponents)?

Or do i switch to Combo3 and do this.

Thanks for the help mate!

 

[apvmoreira]

Dzunglv,

I have avenge your lost in the ECL!! Won 1-3 against Real! Losing at the end of 1st half by an unnecessary penalty by Evra (sold to Marseile ), i scored 2 goals in a row (Vidic from a free kick and Casillas o.g.). Got Marcelo sent off and Welbeck scored the 3rd!

The champions:

Gea
Jones, Evans Vidic, Evra
Fltecher, Carrick
Young, Rooney, Bale
Welbeck

Subs: Cleverly and Wilshere

Walker didn't made the final as he got 2 yellow cards against City in the Semi final.

Used Combo2 with hassle opponents from the beginning and when the 1-3 was made and they had only 10 i shouted closing down.

Now i have bought 22 players, all regens, to start my project. 15 are British, the others are foreigns with PA higher than 180 (Thanks Genie Scout ). I will create a game philosophy based on PPMs and here you come!

What are the PPMs better to make this tactic even better? I think playing at 1st touch is one, and pass before shooting also, but i need 2 or 3 more. With this i want to simulate Barca. That's right, i think your tactic with all the combos is appropriate for this.

Anyone that wants to help are welcomed, ofc.

Cheers

 

[dzunglv]

If i am using Combo2 away from Home and i want to hold onto a lead, do i just switch the strategy to defensive or contain and use the shouts recommended(Retain possession, pass to feet, drop deeper and hassle opponents)?

Or do i switch to Combo3 and do this.

Thanks for the help mate!

When you want to hold on the lead, if that is about last 5-7 minute, change to 2Combo, defensive, and use "Retain possession, pass to feet, drop deeper"

If you want to hold on the result earlier, like 60-70' of the game, it should be more careful approach. So I suggest in that case, firstly you change Strategy to defensive. If the defense seems to be not solid enough, change it to Contain. The shout "retain, to feet, drop deeper" is better used in last ten minute. It just something equals to minimize the D-line, maximize the Waste time, and keep Hold up the ball in the Team and player instruction. If you use it so early it is just like some team in real life try to hold on time just from 60 minute, ball maybe lost in the middle field and the opponent get the chance.

About "Hassle opponent" you should ask apvmoreira, because I have not tried it before (I'm not really good in Shout). In theory, it increases closing down and tight marking, also the tempo I suppose. So in some rare cases, a super star opponent striker can exploit it. Because your defender closes him down in a rush, the skillful and determined striker can dribble through your defender and exploit the space behind him. Anyway I have not used it so honestly cannot provide you any suggestion.

 

[apvmoreira]

About "Hassle opponent" you should ask apvmoreira, because I have not tried it before (I'm not really good in Shout). In theory, it increases closing down and tight marking, also the tempo I suppose. So in some rare cases, a super star opponent striker can exploit it. Because your defender closes him down in a rush, the skillful and determined striker can dribble through your defender and exploit the space behind him. Anyway I have not used it so honestly cannot provide you any suggestion.

That's might be true, but using it against Real Madrid, and using Jones as right full back, Ronaldo didn't had a chance, because Jones would anticipate, would do hard tackle, and didn't let Ronaldo do more than a couple of races in the field. I combine the hassle with hard tackling. A coach said, IRL, that the only way to stop Messi was with a Kalashnikov. This shout/OI is my Kalash!

 

[dzunglv]

Dzunglv,

I have avenge your lost in the ECL!! Won 1-3 against Real! Losing at the end of 1st half by an unnecessary penalty by Evra (sold to Marseile ), i scored 2 goals in a row (Vidic from a free kick and Casillas o.g.). Got Marcelo sent off and Welbeck scored the 3rd!

The champions:

Gea
Jones, Evans Vidic, Evra
Fltecher, Carrick
Young, Rooney, Bale
Welbeck

Subs: Cleverly and Wilshere

Walker didn't made the final as he got 2 yellow cards against City in the Semi final.

Used Combo2 with hassle opponents from the beginning and when the 1-3 was made and they had only 10 i shouted closing down.

Now i have bought 22 players, all regens, to start my project. 15 are British, the others are foreigns with PA higher than 180 (Thanks Genie Scout ). I will create a game philosophy based on PPMs and here you come!

What are the PPMs better to make this tactic even better? I think playing at 1st touch is one, and pass before shooting also, but i need 2 or 3 more. With this i want to simulate Barca. That's right, i think your tactic with all the combos is appropriate for this.

Anyone that wants to help are welcomed, ofc.

Cheers

Wow so you get Wilshere in your squad? I always want him but Arsenal want to much money try to grab him someday because he did it so good for me in FM12.

Good PPMs depends on which Combo tactic you use. Because PPMs for 3Combo and 1Combo oppose to ones used for PPMs for 2Combo, so I think it will be better that you don't take care too much on this issue if you want to use all of my tactics.

In case you just want to use one of my tactics so here it is:

2Combo: strikers to break offside trap, place-shot, move into channel, attackers to break offside trap, go forward whenever possible, midfielder to try more killer ball, CMs to run with the ball less often, defenders to stay on feet

1Combo: Player-maker to dictate tempo, defensive CM to play short pass simple, fullbacks to get forward whenever possible. If you can, also tutor the AMC to get into opposition area.

About playing one-two, pass rather than shoot and long shot more often (or less often), it rather depends on particular player's attributes.i.e. wingers with low finish should learn to pass rather than shoot, low long shot should learn less often long shot.

However, basically it will take very long time to build the game-style on PPMs. Besides learning PPMs, players also must unlearn some useless PPMs, and some PPMs are just never can be learnt by some players. So it will be more relevant to build the game-style on the players you have or intend to have.

I myself do not care about PPMs much when I manage my team. Just unlearn some unnecessary PPMs, sometimes learn a few..

Edit: Sometimes PPMs can ruin your team for no reason so be careful with them

 

[apvmoreira]

I think that:

playing one-two
pass rather than shoot
break offside trap
try more killer ball
move into channel
plays at 1st touch

This ones could and should be used in all Combos, i think. They will get the ball to run fast and should make players to only shoot in the right place.

I'm going to try this, only with my regens, so they, at the age of 14-18, will have at least 2 years to learn them and introduce them in the game. Older players will learn one or two.

About Wilshere. i have spent 45 Mill on him. Sold RVP (scored 3 goals, never adapted to striker, AMR or AMC), sold Nani and Valencia. At the end of the season, i've sold Evra, will sell Vidic, Lindergard, Rafael and his brother and just got Giggs to renew until 2018!!!! The only foreigns i will keep until i have my regens developed is Kagawa, and De Gea.

 

[prescottrh]

Sold RVP (scored 3 goals, never adapted to striker, AMR or AMC

If you play him as a striker set the dlp to the mcl player rather than the mcr so the ball is played to VP's stronger foot.

 

[apvmoreira]

If you play him as a striker set the dlp to the mcl player rather than the mcr so the ball is played to VP's stronger foot.

it's to late m8. Rooney scored 31 in 28 league games and now is set to AMC. Welbeck is now my main striker and despite he does not score much, the Ams are scoring and the team is playing well.

I now have Chihcarito on sale too, as i have 3 regens who will be subs for the entire season. hope they will raise to the expectations and make me win the EPL and the ECL again.